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abby ([personal profile] aveleh) wrote in [site community profile] dw_styles2009-04-19 05:29 pm

Transmogrified! And notes on the style overhaul.

We're still going through old comments to add bugs into the ticket tracker, but there will be some top-level posts in between working on replies. I promise someone will get to everyone :)

With the last code push, a new style "Transmogrified" is now live. This layout was designed by [livejournal.com profile] absolut for the LiveJournal Style Contest in 2005. Most of the legwork on getting it to work with core2 was done by [personal profile] dani_the_girl and [personal profile] draigwen, who have been working with [personal profile] afuna, [personal profile] av8rmike, [personal profile] jadelennox, [personal profile] liv and [personal profile] rich. This style has really gentle default colours, and is a great option to have. You can see it in action at [site community profile] dw_styles or Select it as your Journal Style.

With beta opening up, now's the ideal time to talk about more about "the styles overhaul." In order to ensure that Dreamwidth styles are more accessible, easier to write, and easier to update, a number of volunteers have been working together over the last few months to complete a significant overhaul of various styles and the core code that powers them. Until open-beta, our priority is working to ensure that core and individual styles are working as expected, and then after that, we'll be able to start adding new features. And, wow, are there ever a lot of features we're going to be able to add!

One of our goals is that users will never have to choose a style because of the functionality it offers. Instead, you can choose a style because you prefer the way that it lays out items on your journal. So, options like "put icons on the left side of each entry" would be a per-style option. But we think that options like "only display the mini-calendar on the Recent Items page" should be available on all styles, and style designers should never have to write new code to implement it.

The way we're accomplishing this is to remove these options from each individual style, make sure that the basics are working in each style, and then start adding awesome new features to core2. I know this means that things are a little sparse and frustrating during the beta process. But this is really going to help the long-term growth of the style-system and make it easier to update old styles and write new styles.

I also wanted to add a reminder that if you're moving S2 styles over from other LiveJournal-based sites, you probably want to use core1, because that version of core is (almost) the same and is more likely to produce expected results :)
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[personal profile] turlough 2009-04-19 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you going to add the possibility for the calendar of having the week start on the Monday, as lots of us Europeans are used to seeing it, or is that something that we'll still have to code for ourselves?

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[personal profile] kerravonsen 2009-04-19 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
♥ Transmogrified!

However, there's one thing I've noticed in comments pages using Transmogrified; icon handling is a little flaky.
a) if the comment is from an openID user, the icon appears below the subject instead of next to it.
b) there is always a huge gap between comments whether there is an icon next to the subject or not. I mean, obviously, when the icon is there, the gap is needed, but when there isn't an icon there, it looks strange.
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[personal profile] hatman 2009-04-26 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
OpenID thing seems to be a known issue. A patch is in the works. Thanks for pointing it out. :)

Is the other thing still an issue?

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[personal profile] branchandroot 2009-04-19 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Oo! Oo, oo, oo! Oh, I've been wanting this style! I had it on my GJ and loved it.
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[personal profile] ame 2009-04-20 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
Omg I love the new layout. It's really easy to use compared to the other two. :)
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[personal profile] inarticulate 2009-04-20 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
This layout is gorgeous; thank you guys so much. ♥
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And a usability note

[personal profile] branchandroot 2009-04-20 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
Also, had an interesting conversation today. Apparently, for some people, the default entry-management-links are currently falling prey to banner blindness: the eye is skipping over them because they are icons.

So I wondered it it would be wise to crank into Core2 a wizard option to switch that set of links (and probably the userlite-interaction-links too) between icon and text representations.
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Re: And a usability note

[personal profile] afuna 2009-04-22 01:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Good point. We've filed a bug for that, and I think that [personal profile] aveleh has a patch in as well.
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It makes my circle a thousand times easier to read! Thank you!
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Transmogrified

[personal profile] cesy 2009-04-20 07:02 am (UTC)(link)
I love this style, but I miss the Zesty White option to collapse the reading page to just subjects, which is so useful I now can't live without it.
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[personal profile] northern 2009-04-20 07:27 am (UTC)(link)
Yay! I love Transmogrified!

Only problem is, where is the link to view earlier entries on the Reading page...? I can't find it for some reason.
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[personal profile] afuna 2009-04-20 07:28 am (UTC)(link)
It's currently hidden (we made a mistake), but we've patched it up, and the fix should be going out soon-ish.

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nav strip reload options

[personal profile] lanterne_rouee 2009-04-20 07:38 am (UTC)(link)
tbh, i'm not 100% sure if this is to do with switching to transmogrified or something else, so i'm sorry if this is in the wrong place. i've only noticed it since switching styles though.

when looking at a community, there are two options in the nav strip: Reload page in: my style light style

when looking at someone's individual journal, there's only: Reload page in: my style
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Re: nav strip reload options

[personal profile] sophie 2009-04-20 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
When you see the 'light style' option, you're probably looking at an individual post, rather than the 'recent entries' page. It currently only works for individual posts - I'm hoping, though, that it might be extended to allow the viewing of recent entries in light style too.
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[personal profile] forthwritten 2009-04-20 09:48 am (UTC)(link)
I've noticed a bug in how it displays usernames in comments. I've recreated it here. Basically, lots of white space left after the <user name=""> tag.
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[personal profile] ct 2009-04-20 11:16 am (UTC)(link)
I'm seeing this too, using Firefox 3.0.8 on a Mac.

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[personal profile] ratcreature 2009-04-20 09:52 am (UTC)(link)
Is there a way to get Transmogrified to display the Journal's subtitle beneath the title?

[personal profile] ex_ardisia396 2009-04-20 12:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Adding refinements to the core layer and making them accessible through all layouts is great.
Did I mention how happy this is making me. :)
Power to your creative muses!
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[personal profile] frangipani 2009-04-20 02:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I want to apologise in advance if I'm confusing people, because I honestly don't know what a lot of the design elements/style thingies are called. *wrings hands* I can't find an answer to my main question in previous posts, but please direct me to it if you have.

Will we be able to customise the core2 styles so that our comment pages are viewable in the default (or our otherwise chosen) site scheme? I don't mean viewing in the "light" format, as that doesn't fulfill the reasons why I prefer viewing a comment page in the site scheme (and in any case the navigation strip has always been irritatingly intrusive to me, even in LJ). I find it extremely frustrating not to be able to access the horizontal menu bar so that I can immediately click over to my recent entries, reading page, and memories. This is especially useful when, say, I'm following a multi-part story and want to check if I've added an earlier part to my memories. It's just really handy.
Edited 2009-04-20 14:56 (UTC)
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[personal profile] afuna 2009-04-20 04:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yes, definitely. The properties lacking in the Transmogrified wizard was an oversight. If you're comfortable with theme layers/user layers, you can put this line in:

set use_journalstyle_entry_page=false;

(And we'll try to fix up the wizard ASAP)

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[personal profile] in_interval 2009-04-20 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I tried the preview option to see my journal in this style and got:

Error running style: Died in S2::run_code running RecentPage::print(): Can't use string ("") as a subroutine ref while "strict refs" in use at (eval 2467)[/home/dw/current/src/s2/S2.pm:232] line 294.

No one else seems to be having this problem so I'm a little worried that I've messed something up. Any ideas?
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[personal profile] av8rmike 2009-04-21 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Your current style appears to be a Core1-derived style. We have a ticket in Zilla that style preview doesn't seem to work if you're using Core1.

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[personal profile] mmeg 2009-04-20 07:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Does this mean there will eventually be a wizard option to reverse the order of my Reading Page to most recent entry at the bottom? :)? :)?

Also, I am waiting with bated breath for a style that lets me view my subscribed journals using the colors I chose on the subscribe change. Unless I've missed an option somewhere?
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[personal profile] kate_nepveu 2009-04-20 07:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I apologize if this is not the right place for this.

I love the ability to append nc=[number of comments] to the URL for the comment pages, so that it changes color back to unread when a new comment is received. I think this used to be a checkbox in LJ, but I suspect it ought to be a style option now, except I can't find it in LJ . . . so I'm not sure where to look for it here.

Anyway, I miss it, and if it's possible to put it in a style, I would love that.
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[personal profile] spiralsheep 2009-04-20 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that might be a browser widgety/scripty thing. Are you using Firefox?

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Transmogrified bug

[personal profile] kate_nepveu 2009-04-20 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
On the reading page, usericons do not have a width & height set, unlike on the comment pages & journal pages.
Edited 2009-04-20 20:38 (UTC)
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Re: Transmogrified bug

[personal profile] jamie 2009-04-27 04:13 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks. I've filed a bug for that.
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[personal profile] vilakins 2009-04-20 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for more styles; this one is great!

[Edit] I would however like the option of turning off custom comments, and selecting the number of entries on my journal and reading page.

I'd also like to see Zesty White with the functionality of the others (a sidebar with all the usual modules), and the option of having the date in any style displayed in day month year format (the usual outside the US).
Edited 2009-04-20 22:04 (UTC)
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[personal profile] afuna 2009-04-22 01:21 pm (UTC)(link)
[Edit] I would however like the option of turning off custom comments, and selecting the number of entries on my journal and reading page.

Oops, oversight. We'll have those in the wizard pretty soon.


Zesty may take a while longer; need to go through the code and clean it up to be closer to the other official styles so that it's easier to introduce other new features as well.

Thank you for the feedback!

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[personal profile] kaylashay81 2009-04-21 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
Safari 3.2.1 on Mac 10.5.6

On the 'tags' page, the side bar goes down under the tag list no matter what size my browser window is. Is it intended to do this, or is a Safari issue in the width/sizing of the elements?

A screen shot can be found here: http://www.kaylashay.com/screen.jpg
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[personal profile] beck_liz 2009-04-21 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a minor thing, but when people have multiple tags on their posts in this style, all the tags get smushed together. Like so: "dreamwidthparisljchicken", where dreamwidth, paris, lj, and chicken all are separate tags. Now, when you run your cursor over each, the links are still separate. Just the words are running together, making this more a readability issue than anything.
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[personal profile] av8rmike 2009-04-22 02:40 pm (UTC)(link)
What browser?

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[personal profile] sineala 2009-04-21 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know if it's just that my screen is too small or it's that I've got Firefox 2, but on the comment pages for Transmogrified, the "Leave a comment" link is getting shoved right, out of the box and half-covered by the right-side boxes. I can screencap if you need one.
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[personal profile] tyger 2009-05-02 02:11 pm (UTC)(link)
*seconds!* I'm on a small screen, too, in Safari, and sadly these sorts of issues are all over the place. =/

I think this one's probably a case of the sidebar having a higher z-index than the main column, which would likely have a really easy CSS fix... but I really hope it's not one of those things you should have to.
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[personal profile] shirou 2009-04-22 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
First let me say that I really like this style. However, I think it's a little weird that the calendar module title (April 2009) is centered, whereas all the other module titles (eg Profile, Links) are left aligned. It seems like all the module titles should have the same alignment. (My preference would be that they all be centered.)

My apologies if someone has mentioned this already. I looked through the comments and didn't see anything about it.
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[personal profile] writinginct 2009-04-24 03:11 am (UTC)(link)
I second this - aligning them all one way or the other would be awesome. It's a little jarring that the calendar is the only one centered.

But have to add- this is a great style! It's very clean and easy to read which I like.

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Display tab

[personal profile] vilakins 2009-04-22 06:40 am (UTC)(link)
Bug: the navigation strip choice is deselected on going into the Display tab under Customize.

Desired features: it would be great to have the features that other styles have in the Display tab, like setting # of entries per page and turning off customised comments. I rather like the standard grey comment setup. :-)
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Re: Display tab

[personal profile] afuna 2009-04-25 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
Re: navstrip
Thanks! Just put in a fix for it, will be available on the site soonish

Re: options in the wizard
*whistles innocently*

(They should all be available in the wizard now)

Re: Display tab

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[personal profile] rainbow 2009-04-22 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I lvoe this layout -- it's much closer to my idea than Flexible Squares was (and I thought that was as good as it could get!); thank you!!!

A couple questions: Is there a way to move the sidebar in Transmogrified to the left rather than the right? And I have a subtitle set, but it's not appearing on my recent entries page nor my reading page -- is this the design or is there something obvious I'm not doing right?

~Carys
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[personal profile] branchandroot 2009-04-23 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I took a look at your current layout. It looks like you just need to add the following to your custom css (over in the Customize Theme section):

#wrap {
padding-left: 230px;
padding-right: 20px;
}
#content {
margin-right: -100%;
}
.module-section-two {
margin-left: -230px;
}

I have not tested this, but from banging on the base sheet for Core2, I think this is about it. Looks weird and unintuitive, doesn't it?

As for the subtitle, I think that isn't included in Transmogrified. You could probably add it, if you want to copy and modify the header-printing section of the S2.

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